Can I Become a Family Med Doctor and Still Make a Lot of Money? Reddit
By Dr. James M. Dahle, Emergency Physician, WCI Founder
Ane of the funnest parts of running The White Coat Investor is the opportunity to peer into the nitty-gritty details of the financial lives of other doctors. It'due south a petty bit similar practicing emergency medicine that way—a scrap voyeuristic just often entertaining and always interesting.
One of the things I accept noticed, that no one ever seems to talk about, is that intraspecialty pay variation is higher than interspecialty pay variation. Let me explain what I mean.
Medical Specialties by Salary
Take a look at this salary survey from Medscape (and show it to your med students, apparently 3/4 of docs are never shown something like this in med schoolhouse):
The casual viewer looks at this and says, "Cardiologists brand almost twice as much as family practice docs. I want to exist a cardiologist." Just in one case you lot've been in my shoes, you look at this and say, "Wow, some family unit practitioners make more than the average cardiologist. I wonder how they do that?" Look at the variation here: the difference betwixt an orthopedist and a pediatrician is $279K a year.
Compensation Ranges for Emergency Medicine Doctors
At present check out a specialty-specific salary survey, from my specialty of Emergency Medicine. This one is from 2015, so non quite up to engagement but it will work to illustrate my point:
Look at the 10th percentile for employees—$213K. Now, look at the 90th percentile for partners—$510K. Difference? $297K. GREATER than the difference between the average pediatrician and the average plastic surgeon!
The power to increase pay, and increase it substantially, solves a ton of financial problems that real doctors see and email me most all the fourth dimension. It's fashion easier to pay off your pupil loans or mortgage on twice the income. Even after-revenue enhancement, it's much easier to go financially independent or accept a dignified retirement or send your kids to the college of their choice when you can double your income. The bigger the hole you lot are in, the more interested you should be in this topic.
And then today I thought I would practise a post all near intraspecialty pay differences. But frankly, none of you readers are interested in hearing about the average earner in your specialty, much less the low earners. You want to know how those who are actually killing it are doing it.
I trolled around in the WCI Facebook Group until I got a few nibbles. Then I reeled them in with some emailed questions. I considered doing this on the podcast, and maybe still will, but it was a bit tricky to get people willing to come on the podcast and give u.s.a. the direct scoop without the anonymity I can provide in this blog mail service.
Before we become into their comments, though, permit's discuss a few ways to increase your physician income.
How to Brand More Money as Family Medicine Physician
In January 2020, we ran a guest post from Gerardo Bonilla, a family medicine doctor in Woodland, California. Dr. Bonilla is the founder of StatNote and author of StatNote: Dot Phrases to Expedite Your Medical Documentation. His visitor provides tools that facilitate medical documentation so doctors can enjoy seeing patients and get off-white bounty while doing so. Nosotros have no financial relationship. Here's what he wrote about how to increase your master care md income.
#one Preventive Medicine
The annual physical is falling out of style, at least in adult medicine. Simply insurance companies pay for preventive intendance for a reason. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Some doctors sprinkle health maintenance throughout their patient's visits, but an annual physical ensures that your patients get all the prove-based screening and disease prevention recommendations.
According to the AAFP, the average payment for the preventive visit is 25-percent higher than for the trouble-oriented visit.
Just by doing preventive medicine, and billing for information technology, you could run across nearly a $70,000 almanac increase in acquirement in your practice while ensuring better patient care. (Have a await at the comparison of Physician A and B in this article from the FPM (Family Practice Management) Journal and calculated acquirement on the table below.) You lot don't need to see more patients. The patients are already coming to your clinic. You lot only need to spend more time with them.
However, spending more than fourth dimension with each patient and providing more services means more documentation. Having templates or using dot phrases in your electronic health tape (EHR) volition assist you lot effectively chart all the onerous documentation requirements. This is especially true if you want to meet the ones required to pecker for a Medicare Wellness visit.
Conduct a wellness visit and, when advisable, acquit a problem-oriented visit at the same fourth dimension. Well-nigh patients have chronic problems to discuss at their wellness visits. CMS allows physicians to written report both the trouble-oriented visit and the wellness visit at the same time, and the revenue implications of reporting both services are significant. [Editor'due south Note: Annotation that patients on a loftier deductible plan who thought their visit was going to be free even though they also talked about their problems might not exist so pleased, nonetheless.]
The brunt of medical documentation is the main cause not only of md burnout, only also of frustrated patients who simply get five-minute visits with their doctors. That is why optimizing your documentation is strongly encouraged.
This is where your dot phrases come in handy. They enable you to expedite your medical documentation and spend less time in front of the computer. Therefore, you can spend more quality time with your patient. Your patients will dear it. They will think you lot are an onetime-school doctor with good bedside manners.
Past using dot phrases and templates, physicians tin can capture the essentials of the visit with minimal effort. You tin can certificate what really goes on in the test room instead of selectively picking from the laundry listing of problems the patient presents at the visit.
#2 Practise Full-Spectrum Medicine
Have you thought near doing some inpatient shifts or working at an urgent care? Peradventure being the medical managing director for a nursing home or existence on-call coverage for OB? Having work outside of the clinic obviously increases your income, but it is as well a nice modify of step that might give you some sanity and time away from the never-ending inbox.
Practicing full-spectrum family medicine is rare now, but in that location is no reason why you shouldn't practice at the top of your license, spending less time doing clerical work and more time taking care of the patient. You can practice at the top of your license by using your preparation and expertise to take care of patients.
This is sometimes express by time. We frequently don't have the time to exercise that joint injection or remove that mole, so we end up referring the patient to a specialist, adding to the fragmentation of care and the brunt of healthcare cost—not to mention wasting the patient's time.
By carving out some time to make room for these and other minor surgical procedures, yous will run into an increment in your practice revenue. Using dot phrases and templates helps you by giving y'all more time to exercise this. Check out this study that institute that for every hour of directly clinical facetime with patients, doctors typically spend 2 additional hours on EHR and desk-bound work inside the clinic day.
#iii Know Your Coding
If you want to get improve at billing, you need to get better at coding. Know the rules of the game within out. Read the AAFP'due south FPM Journal and the FPM's Web log Getting Paid. They are a neat starting bespeak.
Other expert resources are Optum360 EncoderPro and the AMA CPT Professional book. They are good reference tools when you desire to get the right CPT code for your procedure. Y'all tin can also have favorites saved in your EMR for your nearly frequently used Eastward&M and CPT codes used for billing. Information technology will save you time.
Physicians routinely undervalue services they are already providing. Taking a coding training class might help yous become more than confident in the worth of the work that you are doing.
At that place are many courses available out in that location. For instance, the E&M CodeRight® course by MediSync can assist you gain a clear understanding of the key components needed to calculate the level of coding. [Also consider the WCI partner Medical Coding and Billing Class.-ed]
Equally part of the quality strategy to reform how healthcare is delivered and paid for, CMS is implementing initiatives to assure quality healthcare. These value-based programs reward healthcare providers with incentive payments for the quality of care they give to their patients. Your group may receive annual incentive payments from insurers based on quality measures that are used to summate that pay.
It's important to pay attention to whatsoever quality incentive measures that you may have in your part, as this might represent a bonus in your salary. This might mean documenting or clicking the correct box for your diabetic foot exam and ordering an annual microalbumin lab, recording in the EHR that controlled claret force per unit area reading from habitation, and making sure you lot don't prescribe an antibiotic if your ICD-x code is astute bronchitis. If these ensure you a $30,000 quality bonus in your paycheck, for example, suddenly it doesn't go an annoyance anymore.
#4 Optimize Your Medical Documentation
Being more efficient at documenting your progress notes can accept a huge impact on your time and therefore could potentially enable y'all to increase your income. Practicing at the top of your license, doing preventive care, small procedures, or work outside the clinic are ways to maximize that revenue.
Past reducing time in front of the computer, you tin spend more time with your patient. For example, you lot can take the time to do Advance Intendance Planning with your senior patients, counseling on tobacco and alcohol utilise, or even exercise psychotherapy with your depressed and anxious patients. All of these counseling services should typically be reimbursed if they are properly documented.
Comprehensive care and doing what is best for your patient and for the healthcare system will too exist the best for you. This will ultimately increase the joy of practicing medicine and enable you to exist a Rockstar Md!
How These Doctors Fabricated More Money
OK, back to our volunteers from the Facebook grouping. I take 4 docs from three specialties—family unit do, pediatrics, and med-peds, all of whom are making 2X+ the average for their specialty. I asked them still questions and, with pocket-size edits, I'grand posting the answers they sent me. If you are a doctor or other high-income professional in what is supposed to exist a poorly paid field and are making 2X+ the boilerplate, delight mail service your tips in the comments department later the post
#1 Pediatrician Making $430K
and yous tin can play along at home!
No, I haven't verified any of this, and no, I cannot promise they will respond the additional questions nigh their lives that I'm sure you'll post in the comm
ents section. But this I can tell you—these people exist in every specialty. If you want to have an income similar theirs, I would suggest doing at least some of what they do that is different from what you are doing at present.
Our first volunteer is Mike, a pediatrician who made $430,000 (>2X the average above) in 2018. He averages viii-9 hours a day, 4 days a week, fifty weeks a year. Like many pediatricians, he works longer in winter than in the summertime and takes q13 call plus 8 Saturday mornings a twelvemonth. No inpatient work. He came out of residency in 2013 with $65K in student loans (actually paid them off the day before responding to my email).
Mike is a partner in a x-doc partnership with 3 part-time Doc employees and four NPs. Seventy people total work in the practice, many part-time. Virtually 20-25% of patients are Medicaid (no cap), the rest private insurance. Mike does not do many procedures, mostly circumcisions and ear piercings which are all cash pay, but he feels that really doesn't make a big difference in his income. He sees 25-35 patients a day.
What Have You Washed to Increase Your Doc Income?
"For me personally, I bought into the private do. This immune me to increase my income from an employed physician to a partner receiving partner salary and taking part in the profit sharing.
We as a practice own the properties, too, then I collect hire on the backdrop. I think we are a very efficiently run practise and a busy practise. I meet 4-6 patients per hour. I run into two-3 well visits an hr. My billing is good and my documentation supports my billing. We do a developmental or mental health screening at every single well visit starting at 2 months old through 18 years old. Nosotros check hearing and vision at every unmarried well visit. Nosotros are part of purchasing groups which help us negotiate vaccine prices. Nosotros have a partner who is very good at making sure that we are achieving PCHM level iii, and other metrics to prove that we are good at what nosotros exercise which in plow permit us to get to the insurance companies and negotiate better payment for our piece of work. Our A/R is good, we keep credit cards on file, are very proficient at collecting copays at time of visit.
Our biggest expense is staff. We pay fair rates for our staff, only likewise demand that they work hard for their money. Nosotros do not accept backlog staff and recollect very hard earlier hiring some other person or creating another task to be sure that the roles that are needed cannot be completed by another staff member. When nosotros add together another service we ensure that it volition be acquirement generating. We invested time and money into a new system for date reminders so that we are sending text and email reminders frequently to decrease our no-testify rate by over 1% in the past year going from 4.5% to three.five% (which is a huge amount of money). Nosotros bring patients dorsum for rechecks oft (I don't retrieve excessively or inappropriately, though). The primal is to keep our schedule full. If it is full, then we are doing well. During the summertime if there isn't as much ill, then we get artistic and add more than well visits.
Partners are paid solely based on their RVU's then I am very incentivized to be busy. Other partners are non equally busy equally me, so they don't become paid as well. There are other partners that are more busy than me and make maybe $thirty-40K more per yr."
#ii Pediatrician Making $450K
Our second volunteer wishes to remain bearding but is likewise a primary intendance pediatrician who makes $450,000 working 32 hours per week over four days and 47 weeks a year. He also takes call 4-5 times a month. He is 22 years out of residency and paid off his $40,000 in pupil loans over 3 years.
He owns his practice with three physician partners and has two medico employees, 2 NP employees, and 35 others. He sees 50% Medicaid, 45% HMO/Individual Insurance, and 5% self-pay, but feels no command over that mix as they are the largest practice in the county. They nourish high-gamble deliveries at two hospitals and stabilize critically ill newborns prior to transfer, but their role procedure mix is pretty standard amongst pediatricians. He sees 25-30 patients per solar day.
Why Is Your Income Higher Than Average?
"One principal reason my income is higher than the average pediatrician in the region is because of the high hazard deliveries we attend. We have a contract with the two hospitals that pay us (equally independent contractors) in addition to our role reimbursement."
#3 Family Practice Doc Making $415K
This anonymous family practitioner came out of residency in 2016 owing $375,000 in student loans. He is an employee of a 501(c)(three) hospital and fabricated $343,000 in 2018 and expects to make $415,000 in 2019 working 42 hours per week over four days and refuses to sign into his EMR on his weekday off. He works 44-45 weeks/year and takes phone telephone call every weeknight for his 2,700-patient panel, then rotates weekends for grouping call every five-six weekends. That commonly works out to 2-three phone calls during the calendar week and five-10 on weekends.
He is on an RVU compensation model but thinks the payor mix is 60% private and 40% Medicare/Medicaid. He accepts all new patients into the group of patients he inherited from a prior doc. He averages 23 patients per day and does "more procedures than average. I perform a lot of derm procedures (biopsies, cyst, and lipoma removals), cryotherapy, joint injections (subacromial, knees, trochanteric bursa, carpal tunnel, trigger point), ganglion cysts. I also perform vasectomies."
What Accept Y'all Done to Increase Your Physician Income?
"I have spent a lot of time learning my EMR (Ballsy) and how to make my day equally efficient as possible. I utilize MModal to dictate. This has really helped with work after hours. I start at 7:30 each twenty-four hours and my last patient is at iv:30. I am out the door heading home with all my charts closed and paperwork completed by 5:15 pm. My partners and I take monthly meetings to discuss problems with our staff and how to get more efficient. From the front office staff, phone staff, and clinical staff, we identify gaps in intendance. Our goal is to have everyone practice at the top of their license. If a nurse is doing something an MA is capable of doing, we take that responsibleness and give it to the MA. If a physician is doing something a RN is capable of doing, once more, we take that off the physician and assign that to RNs. This helps go on usa physicians busy seeing patients and doing procedures and not get bogged down in prior authorizations, FMLA/disability paperwork, telephone calls and other things.
I think the main thing that has helped my income is developing the mindset that when I am at piece of work, I accept come to work. I love my job and love seeing patients, but if I'g spending time away from my family unit I am not at that place to waste time. I desire to see patients. My template is 15 minutes for follow-ups and xxx minutes for new patients and annual physicals/medicare health visits.
I realized early on that one of the most annoying and interrupting things in my mean solar day was when patients would testify upwards belatedly. I would still attempt to squeeze them into my schedule and then I wouldn't miss out on the RVU and to avoid inconveniencing them. Afterwards a while I realized past working late patients into the schedule I was making all my other patients that day upset because I was then running behind. They were upset; I was upset. It was causing a lot of stress trying to delight anybody. I then realized that if I set a 'tardily policy' and held to information technology, patients would eventually get on board and realize the importance of being punctual. I gear up my policy at 10 minutes. If they arrive later 10 minutes, they accept to reschedule. If they make it before 10 minutes, I'll agree to see them but they have to be willing to wait until I take time. I see the patients who arrive on fourth dimension kickoff. Managing my schedule has been very of import for me to increase my efficiency.
I think the other chief factor is learning how to nib. I think a lot of PCP'southward underbill. I'm not certain if it's because they don't take the fourth dimension to learn the difference between a level 3 vs 4 vs 5 or if they are merely nervous that they will be audited so they neb everything a 3. My hospital does a voluntary inspect every yr and my audit passes every twelvemonth. I know the departure between office visit levels and I document accordingly. There is no honor for seeing a circuitous patient and then billing a level 3. If y'all do the work, get paid for information technology. Information technology'due south non easy to manage 3-4 chronic medical issues and address 2-3 new complaints in 15 minutes. I think providers don't necessarily need to document more, they just need to document smarter.
Combining E&K visits with procedures makes a huge deviation too. A level 3 role visit for an established patient is 0.97 RVUs. A level iv is 1.5 RVUs. A joint injection/biopsy/cryotherapy is almost the same RVU as a level 3 visit merely takes only an extra minute or two of my fourth dimension. I have established protocols with my staff then when I want to do a process, I just tell them what I programme to exercise and then go in to run into my adjacent patient while they get everything prepare up as I've instructed. I tin can then simply pop dorsum in to do the procedure and wrap everything upwards. EMR's and then make information technology convenient to add the appropriate procedure template to the office annotation which completes the documentation."
#four Internist Makes One-half a Million
"Dr. Solo" is a med-peds doc who made $500,000 in 2018 working 35-40 hours/calendar week, 45 weeks/year. He is "ever on call" with the solo practice he owns merely never goes to the infirmary. Call is about three after-hours calls per month. He is 12 years out of residency and notwithstanding owes $50,000 of his original $150,000 iii.25% student loans.
He employs no APCs, and is downwardly to ii employees from the four-v he had before transitioning to a subscription-based practice. His patients are 85% private, ten% Medicare, and v% Medicaid, but he hasn't actually taken insurance since 2011. The patients who stayed with his practice more often than not accept PPO-type plans and he is out of network on those. He does no procedures and sees 5-six patients per solar day. No, in that location is no typo in the previous sentence.
Why Is Your Income Higher Than Average?
"I transitioned out of accepting insurance, acquired cognition in integrative medicine and diet to develop a niche, inverse to a membership-based exercise, and cut overhead, i.e. from five employees down to two. I am passionate about spending the appropriate amount of fourth dimension with each patient, enough time to allow me to all-time empathize and treat not merely their physical/medical problem(southward) only the interdependent psycho-social and lifestyle choices (i.due east. nutrition, practice, sleep habits)—and I go on this tenet at the forefront of every decision to optimize the practice."
Every bit you can encounter, it is entirely possible to become into a primary care specialty AND make a lot of money. The key is the same equally with any business organization—those who own a well-run business organization make more than money than those who own a poorly-run business organization and those who are employed. So rather than crying "woe is me, I tin can't become rich because I'm a pediatrician" or worse, non going into family practice because you think yous can't make plenty to pay dorsum your student loans doing and so, do what these docs did and create your own destiny.
="two″ link="E5r1F" via="yes" ]Every bit you can see, it is entirely possible to go into a primary care specialty AND make a lot of money. The fundamental is the same as with whatsoever business organisation — those who ain a well-run concern brand more than coin than those who own a poorly-run business and those who are employed.
What do you recall? If you lot are in chief intendance, what have you done to increase your income? What are your tips for your peers to go from the 25th percentile to the 75th percentile for your specialty? Comment beneath!
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